Eastwood Handicap Snooker Tournament
Sunday 22 November 2009
11.00am Registration, 11:30am Start
- Event to be held at Phoenix Cue Sports, Mansfield Road, Eastwood, Nottingham, NG16 3AQ.
- £10 Entry Fee, half price for under 18's, all distributed as prizes.
- Format will be either straight knockout, with a plate for early round losers OR round robin groups prior to knockout stages.
Competition rules:1. Competition open to all players. The Tournament Director reserves the right to refuse admission.
2. Prize money will be calculated on the day, dependant on the number of entries and will paid out at the conclusion of the event.
3. All matches best of 3 except final best of 5.
4. Handicaps will be issued upon registration by the Tournament Director.
5. Advance entries would be preferred, if places are available on the day, players will need to register by 11.00am, and the event starts at 11:30am (doors open 10am).
6. All matches played to World Snooker Rules.
7. No dress code.
8. The Tournament Director's decision will be final in all cases.
9. These rules are property of "Phoenix Cue Sports" and subject to change.
To ensure your entry please send a cheque / postal order, payable to "Phoenix Cue Sports" and send, along with your name, address, contact number and email (if applicable) to:
24 Mansfield Road
Eastwood
Nottingham
NG16 3AQ
For any further enquiries please telephone 01773 760 459
Entry List
1. Steve Butler
2. Jimmy Gratton
3. Stephen Lally
4. Craig Lakin
5. Wayne Martin
6. Nav Hussain
7. Stewart Crosswell
8. Jason Stockton
9. Ross Wilkin
10. James Booth
11. Gavin Shirley
12. Daniel Norton
13. Johnny Kareer
14. Tom Walters
15. Ash Goring
16. Danny Baker
17. Steve Howard
18.
Steve, please put me in as well mate.
Cheers,
Wayne
Hi, You can put me down also ... Nav Hussain.
Put me in please, Stewart Crosswell. Thanks
I should be there too. Ross Wilkin
Hi guy's could you 'please' put my name down for this comp too !!!!
yea put me down as well. cheers.
hi,my name is gavin shirley, could you put me down on the list cheers, my handicap is +7
:thx: gavin
You're in Gavin. I hope you enjoyed the Spot On tournament.
:england:
hi steve, yeah enjoyed it thanx, but gonna have to get some serious practice in, there were alot of good players there everybody played really well was a good day
:happy:
Hi, you should have joined the league Gavin.... the prem div, would have been real good competition.. Me,Wayne and Stewart are signing up for the Super League.... but require 2 more players for stand by, if you want, i can put your name forward with Zebs...Let me know !!
it all depends on wot night it is cos my misus works most nights at wilkinsons n i got a 2yr old boy, but i need some serious practice tho lol!!, i def carnt make tues my misus at college
riley super league is wednesday evenings. Starts in new year.
how many make a team up nav??? u could keep me on standby, wot bout chris winter is he not playing????
never asked him, thought he was busy, but now i may even ask him.
hi nav, is there 4 players make up a team??? you can put me down as a standby player if u want mate its up 2 u??
nav, u got pay up front for this tournament???? or can ya pay on the day??
Quote from: tynraf on 03 November 2009
nav, u got pay up front for this tournament???? or can ya pay on the day??
Gavin - for the Eastwood Handicap you can simply turn up on the day and pay your entry fee.
:thumbup:
oh sound see all u guys there
Gav, i will put you down for the stand-by player.. :thx:
Put my name down too.
I need to repair the damage to my ego from the Spot on tournament. Perhaps this will be the place to sort it out. I'm up for causing an upset or too this time so watch out! ;)
Only a week to go.....
Entry List
1. Steve Butler
2. Jimmy Gratton
3. Stephen Lally
4. Craig Lakin
5. Wayne Martin
6. Nav Hussain
7. Stewart Crosswell
8. Jason Stockton
9. Ross Wilkin
10. James Booth
11. Gavin Shirley
12. Daniel Norton
13. Johnny Kareer
14. Tom Walters
15. Ash Goring
16. Danny Baker
17. Steve Howard
18.
Hi Steve,
Can you put me down for this please and I will pay on the day. Im pretty sure Johnny Kareer will be coming down aswell.
Also is it too late to enter a team for the Rileys Super League?
Cheers.
I've put you both on the list for Sunday Tom. Go easy on the rest of us!
The closing date for Rileys Super League is 11 December 2009 so still time. Details on how to enter can be found by CLICKING HERE (http://nottinghamsnooker.com/forum/index.php?topic=1530.0)
17 entries now, with 5 or 6 more possibles..
Any last minute takers....
Wishes all entrants good luck, would like to have been there to beat you all, but unfortunately work calls.
yeah ok i can dream when id say id beat you all, i proberbly couldnt even beat myself :laugh:
25 Entires for Todays Tournament, our best turnout to date...
5 groups of 5 battled out the qualifing stages , and here are the latest scores for the last 16 ....
Lee Crombie v Wayne Martin
Ross Wilkin v Joe Trout
Nav Hussain 2 v 0 Jason Stockton
Martin Taylor v Daniel Norton
Ian Gadd 2 v 0 Malcolm Belshaw
James Booth 0 v 2 Danny Castel-Nuovo
Danny Baker v Sam Shanker
Bob Wright v Lee Shanker
That's a great turnout Stephen and I'm gutted I had to miss out but I couldn't miss my daughter in her first performance.
Keep us updated Stephen!
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wots the latest from the eastwood handicap tournament :england:
Hi All,
Nav Hussain lost to Ian in the semi finals. Score was 2-1 to Ian.
Last frame was very close but Ian missed a pot on the red and left Nav in a snooker. Nav managed escape the snooker but left the red for Ian who did enough to leave Nav needing a few snookers. Very well played Ian, match could have gone either way.
Giving a 7 start to Ian did mean something towards the end, some handicap starts were very high and had to battle hard not to drop a frame until the semi finals came along. Performed very good with my NEW PARRIS cue, average break is now 50+ comapred to 30+ with my old cue.
BUT BUT BUT.... the cue is slightly small for me and someone has already given me an offer to take the cue for good money, so may let it go and have another custom one made by Dave from Craftsman Cues (Made Paul Hunters Cue), he is top man !!!!
Bye for Now.
Nav - who reached the final apart from Ian?
Wayne,
Lee Shanker who thrashed me (2-0) in the quarters then did the same to Danny in the Semi (2-0). He was on fire in all honesty. Who won it?
DANIEL, got bad news for you mate... Lee Shanker is on the Pro Tour.... He lost to Gareth Green 5-2... i think he won the derby under 21 and hit a 91 break.... SO guess what, i was on a minus handicap of -7 and he was of scratch..... IM TURNING PROFESSIONAL THEN.... if we gonna have people turning up and not telling us if they play on the PRO TOUR then all of us will get done over..
Jason Stockton was -14 and thats because he is up front and tells us that he plays the Pro Am... We will need to do internet research before allowing these guys to get away with it !!! :angry:
Hi Nav,
This is outrageous! that he didn't have the 'honesty' to come 'clean'and say he was on the 'pro-tour'!
'Ungentlemanly conduct' he sounds like the 'MARADONNA' & 'THIERRY HENRY' of the snooker world,in short,it has to be said,he knew this information,did not give it out,so just like the aforementioned footy players above he is a 'cheat',how can u live with that,only cheats live with that! Besides,if you know you can knock in 90's.then why wouldn't u say you had a handicap?If you love this game,you abide by the rules,and play fair,and respect your fellow opponent,not conceeding you have a handicap,is without doubt,disrespectful,and know one can argue that!!
This also begs the question . . .how many other tournaments has he entered and done this? He's done it once,and so,should not be given the chance to in effect 'cheat', (sorry for using that word) but this has to be 'nipped' in the bud,so . . .next Eastwood tournament,should he enter again,must be handicapped,so as to give other less talented players,at least a chance,otherwise you're simply not gonna' get players bothering to enter are you?
They're just gonna' say,"whats the point,i'm beat already"
The reason why no one bothers to check if the players are on the tour is because "we take their word". Had the organisers known of this, then im sure he would have been -21 or something, which makes sense.... i..e joe jogias handicap is something like -40, then its ok.
But not to mention anything like the Pro Am, that is not good !!!
Let's not get carried away guys. Lee Shanker is NOT a professional. He plays on the PIOS tour. The PIOS is open to all AMATEUR players throughout the world. No professionals can play on the PIOS tour.
At the end of the season the top 8 players in the PIOS rankings are eligible to turn professional. Lee Shanker is currently ranked 73rd on the PIOS tour so he is nowhere near professional status.
If I had been there I would obviously have known how good Lee is but I wasn't. I agree that he could have said his handicap was a bit high compared to some of the other players competing at Eastwood, but it is officially the responsibility of the organisers to allocate handicaps. Did anyone ask him if he was playing on the PIOS?
Lee is definitely not a cheat. He is a very good snooker player who loves the game. To say that he is a cheat and cannot play in the next tournament would be going too far. Everyone knows how good he is now and his handicap can simply be adjusted next time.
For the record, the EASB do not take kindly to organisers of amateur tournaments who do not allow amateurs to play in amateur tournaments simply because other players think they are "too good".
If you want to know more about the PIOS, take a look HERE (http://www.global-snooker.com/2009-10-PIOS-Introduction.asp).
Yeh,actually i sounded a bit harsh steve,that's not usually me at all!i just read Navs post and got abit heated,so i definately take that back,but i agree,but still stick to the part i said about, players must be 'up front' with handicaps!
I couldn't make sunday either steve,woulda' enjoyed it tho',never mind there's next time.
Did you enjoy your daughters performance then?
Perhaps a ban is bit harsh if he is an amateur. I agree he could have gave us a better idea of his ability, or mentioned what events he's been in though.
If he took 2 frames off Garath Green then I feel a bit better about not giving him a tougher match. :laugh:
Scares me a bit though about Mike Langdons Nottingham Grand Prix. I'm partially resigned to going straight out in the first 2 weeks now, as I'm guessing a few PIOS players will be looking for a cash prize. Scary but can't wait still ;)
I've actually stated that no PIOS or Main Tour Professionals can enter the Nottingham Grand Prix...guess i'll have to take the wrath of the EASB! I personally would be quite happy for PIOS players to enter and was going to handicap them at -30 on top of their opponents handicap ie: if you went out to the maximum +28 you would get a 58 start in each frame against them. The reason i chose not to let PIOS players enter the comp is that it might have a negative affect on the numbers of those entering who might think, what's the point i haven't a chance of winning....this was something i can't risk just to allow 1 or 2 PIOS players enter.
It's a shame the handicap issue has cropped up again when we should be talking about what a great turn-out there was at the Eastwood Handicap last Sunday (25 players is probably the best to date).
Anyway remember to put the first tournament of the Nottingham Grand Prix in your diary.....Sunday 31st January!
Cheers
Mike
as a regular attendee at willies in leicester, and seeing the likes of joe jogia and ben wollaston playing in this comp, they are both of -49, just because of there pro status doesnt guarantee they will win every comp.on the contrary they struggle to make the final due to the handicap they sometimes have to give .theyjustlike the extramatch practice, so if a player whos on the pios cannot enter these comps would be a disgrace, after all how do you get better at the game if your not playing better players. james booth played joe at willies and beat him yes he had a good start from him but joe can make centuries at the blink of an eye, and i believe he missed out on a maximum against james, but the end result was james won, and he played well to beat him, how much confidence does this give a player when they beat somebody of joes status.point taken on the fact that the pios player in question lied about his ability, but surely this should be a learning curve for people who run comps, not just to take it on a persons word. let the people play, dont hold snookerback anymore than it already has been held back.
I would like to add something as handicaps seems to be a never ending debate. It will always be a "best guess" inaccurate science. League officials and competition runners just do the best they can. If it was an exact science, being a highly inconsistent player, I should get 35 some weeks and maybe 7 on a good day. They can only do it on past results and as pointed out, it is altered next time round accordingly (as with Mikes system in the Grand Prix).
As Gary says, it is a great experience to play very good players, although only getting a small start against a far superior player makes it almost impossible. I think though it has to be down to organisers who they allow to enter as to offer a prize they do need to guarantee a minimum number of entries to run. Obviously to have more competitions is hardly holding back snooker, it's pushing things forward, even if it means excluding some very strong semi-pro's. The future for Notts amateur snooker is looking brighter than ever. :bravo:
Adding to what Ross says, I think what can frustrate strong players is that often weaker players like myself are given a start, but are MORE inconsistant than strong players so in one or three framers are capable of playing much better than our handicaps sugggest (OR MUCH WORSE). If you have a -42 handicap or something, even a ton in a match is not going to be considered to be above par so it must feel like there is less of an advantage. Also if you give away a big start a bad frame is a disaster.
Lotsa' valid points here guys,and mike,you've echoed what i said in my earlier post,of players,who just won't play when they know their beat already.
I personally,will enter when i can,as many comp's as possible,as it's all experince,and it's been said many,many times over, that:
YOU LEARN FAR MORE WHEN YOU GET BEAT,THAN WHEN YOU WIN!
If you win, you naturally think you've done ok,tho' you may not have played anywhere near your best,but upon getting beat,you (or perhaps should do),reflect on why you got beat,could you have done something different,ie:played more safety,instead of trying to 'take on' every ball,in a desparate attempt to win?
It's down to the individual,how he reflects upon being beat by a better player,but you always have a chance in say,a 1 frame situation,of winning that frame.
So like someone pointed out,it is a shame the handicaps have come up again,but,if players were 'open' and 'honest' then there would be no issue to begin with.
It has been a learning curve,as gary points out,we will all learn from this,for future events.
Yep i agree Steve. I always judge on how well i'm playing by what i miss rather than what i pot. I might make a 50 odd break one week but during that session miss a load of balls i would expect to make whilst the next week only make a couple of 20 odd breaks but not miss anything silly and would class that as playing better even though no decent breaks were made.
As you say it's all very well and good blaming handicaps, flukes, tables and bad luck etc for a defeat but if you're totally honest with yourself you always know you had chances but simply didn't take them or made the wrong shot selection at the wrong time. And as you rightly say that's how you become a better player by taking it on the chin, congratulating your opponent and making sure you learn from it.
Bloody frustrating game though !!!
Mike
Why have we not had a full rundown of the matches? I still don't know who won it, who was runner-up etc. Can you put something on the forum please Stephen Lally?
I agree with you Mike it is a flustrating game, but that's why we love it!
I know it may seem a bit odd to post this here but if you are reading this because you are concerned about competition rules and you also play in the Nazareth House League then please look at the thread about 3 man 2 frames.
http://nottinghamsnooker.com/forum/index.php?topic=1580.new;topicseen#new (http://nottinghamsnooker.com/forum/index.php?topic=1580.new;topicseen#new)
The link above will take you to an important debate about a change in format for matches. If the change is going to effect you then please have your say too. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. YOUR OPINION AND IDEAS ARE BOTH WELCOME AND IMPORTANT
I apologise if this does not concern you or it seems like a strange thing to read about here. However, the changes being discussed on that thread are about a whole season of matches for a lot of players.
Thats terrible to hear about shanker, shame on him :angry: