Oh well, here we go again, another team drops out of the League, with just 3 matches to go ?. That's 2 teams this season.
I know I posted a similar discussion in Sept 2010 but - should we give in to logic and take up the format of the N.N.I.A. with the '4 man team' playing on a Tuesday evenings.
All the local snooker would be under the umbrella of the Nottm Billiards & Snooker Assoc. (N.B.S.A) with no one losing their individuality –
N.N.I.A. (Winter) AND Bulwell & District (Summer) - Bob WRIGHT,
Nazareth House Snooker (Winter) - Steve Butler
Six Reds AND Singles League - Mike Langdon
The only major changes would be to the Nazareth House League, but, just to make it slightly different to the N.N.I.A. –
1. All frames to be played with each player giving their handicaps.
2. Players can only play for ONE club per season.
3. Any player in the 1st Div can play in Div 2 by giving his handicap, if he was to play in Div 3 he would have to give double his handicap etc.
4. Any player can play in a higher Division without any penalty.
5. There is no limit to the amount of times any player can be used as a substitute but he can only play for ONE team PER evening.
6. Divisional knock outs would be just 4 frames – if level then adding up the points – and if that doesn't separate the two teams then the 'match' point being given to the home team. Once a player plays for a particular team he becomes 'cup-tied' to that team in that competition for that season.
7. Nazareth House K.O. as '6' above, the winning team progressing and (from the 1st round ONLY) the losing team going into the Plate. Losing after that ?, bad luck, better luck next season. This would be instead of the current Round Robin where one team dropped out half way through causing utter confusion.
8. It should also be taken into consideration that there is no longer a Nazareth House 'Home' so we are no longer playing for a particular Charity, the money we raise is donated to causes suggested to the Committee. Under these circumstances I cant see why the registration fee of £100 cant be reduced to say £50 ? per team. Surely this and with the reduction of required players will encourage more fringe teams to come in/or return to the league (Radcliffe, Wollaton, Pheonix etc). N.N.I.A. pay just £30 per team.
These are only a suggestions and are 'thrown open' for discussion – if there were to be a positive response – then it should be put before the Committee of the Nazareth House in plenty of time so that it could be implemented before next season
That sounds a good idea but that would be unfair to teams who have alot more than 4 players for example us at Oakleigh. We have been a part of this league for a while now and take part in all formats on a tuesday night however i think the format is fine the way it is and should continue. I have 10 players playing for me this season and only 1 available table to play on how could i turn round to players who turn up week in week out ans say they can not play this year cause we got enough players. A little unfair to the people who give up there tuesday night to come and commit to a side. I think that the way the format is at the moment is good and should continue with 6 singles frames and the option of doubles if there are not enough players. A famous phrase if its not broke why fix it. But thats just myy imput on the idea thanks.
I would support a move to 4 man teams in the NHSL. Making it a handicap league with the NNIA being a scratch league would be a good thing as it would give each league it's own identity.
Regarding the charitable aspect, we could nominate a charity at the start of each season and have fundraisers throughout the season to rasie money for the charity. Then, like you say, we could reduce the match fees down to £50 or even £30 the same as NNIA and this would just be used for trophies.
That's my last word on it though. I haven't got the energy for a huge debate like we had last time. People either get behind it or they don't. I have a feeling though that my team, Gotham RBL, won't be able to raise 6 players next season so we will be forced to drop out of the NHSL and play in the NNIA so there's another team gone. If we went down to 4 man teams in the NHSL we would probably play on both nights!
Ryan - you could simply have two teams. The fixtures could easily be drawn up so that your teams are not both at home on the same night. On the rare occasion that they are (cup nights when both are drawn at home) could you not just use your 2nd table as a one-off?
I really do think people are missing something out.... can u remember being a student if u were one? well meaning, but unreliable in every way.
the 2 teams that dropped out.
I take on board what Ryan has said but we, at Arnold AND Bulwell created 2 teams of 6 players - to give everyone interested a competitive frame of snooker - Pegasus even created 3 teams. Perhaps under the 4 man system Bulwell might raise at least 3 teams and Pegasus 4.
Its not just that the University teams have dropped out - dont forget, to accommodate them the NHSL fixtures were suspended over the Christmas period because they were on leave and studying - during which time we played the Secretarys Shield.
Also, on last Tuesday, Beeston were unable to raise 6 players and they had to forfeit their match 8-0.
As a rider to the suggested rules - it would be perhaps only the 1st Division players (with a handicap of 7 or better) who would have their handicap penalised if they were to play in a lower Division.
Let's face facts Alan, it's never going to happen! The teams who were against the proposal last time won't have changed their mind. Those teams were City Hospital, Lenton, Cotgrave, Oakleigh Lodge & Wollaton.
Wollaton have of course dropped out since because they couldn't get enough players for a team!
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Half of Nottm Uni were also against the idea. They have now dropped out - not enough players!
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Half of Beeston were also against it. They are now struggling for players!
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You've got to laugh!
Leave it Alan, leave it!
Somebody made a comment that if it aint broke dont fix it, judging from reading all the e-mails it quite obviously is broke and does need fixing before teams struggling to field teams become disinterested.
Steve I understand your frustration and regret not attending the meeting last year.
Doris Day - Que Sera Sera (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc#)
Good old Doris!
Quote from: R.Cooper on 09 March 2011
I have 10 players playing for me this season and only 1 available table to play on how could i turn round to players who turn up week in week out ans say they can not play this year cause we got enough players. A little unfair to the people who give up there tuesday night to come and commit to a side.
The same players could still all play. You would have 2 teams of 4 players - one would play at home one week and the other the next week. It would not be much different to now for your team.
The format would also allow Wollaton to enter with less players. My guess is the students would also still be in the league. A few of us might enter a team or two from other venues with about 4 or 5 of us (we can't raise about 10 though at the moment).
As for it not being "broken" - maybe not for some teams. However, if we could have a stronger league we should.
Alan, it's a great idea. If you think about it from the good of the league as a whole then it's a no brainer. I could be wrong, however, I think some of the teams against it just have a few players who only want to play at home on their own table.
I think the introduction of handicaps should be a seperate issue though. Some of us like to be underdogs.
I have a lot more to say on this (you probably guessed that lol) but have actually taken 5 minutes out from my holiday in Spain to write this and it's sunny out there (doh!) so it can wait.
Good luck Alan.
Adios...
I really shouldn't comment on this, but if you want to stick with your present format do so. i personaly don't want to get involved in NHSL politics Teams that want to go down the 4 man route do what Steve is doing and move to the NNIA. You will all be made welcome. We in the NNIA find that the 4 man system works perfectly, albeit with the occasional hiccup, but the most part it works. You'll always get a few moaners, but that's life.
We can't move to 4 man teams as Steve 'the Force' Booth is already pissed at moving from an A Team player to C team player in just 2 seasons. Can you imagine it. Steve..."who am I playing for this year?" Me..."Ummm the F team Steve!" I'd need a minder or I could blag it that it stands for Pegasus Force :laugh:
On a serious note any changes should be for the good of the league and in implementing changes need to be careful not to lose teams. It's all well and good saying a team would create 2 from the existing set-up but I fear this may not always happen as you then need 2 captains keen enough to run things. I'm not against but we need to assess what we'd be left with and take on board every clubs views. My fear is that eventually we will have to move to this format anyway and if that true it should be done sooner rather than later as it's gonna be easier to split existing teams into 2 rather than try to put teams back together after they have ceased to exist.
I agree with mike on the point that eventually it will go to 4 man teams. The league hast lost one team because they are unable to get a 6 man team together or not intrested in playing and another team is having to throw 8 frames away for the same reason tho still in the league so its giving an unfair frame advantage.
I have been playing in Nazareth House snooker for 14 yrs (no doubt some reader out there has played longer) and I have seen numerous changes - 8 man, 6 man, Round Robin etc etc - trying to keep it going. I DO have local snooker at heart. I dont want to see Nazareth House fold and the changes I have suggested will surely make the League stronger.
Yes we get the usual 'we struggle to raise a team', but wouldnt this 4-man format help the likes of City Hosp, Lenton etc, etc including University, Beeston and even Gotham.
As with Bob (WRIGHT)s suggestion that we go in with them - thanks but I think that WE ought to keep our identity - yes, use their 4 man format, but tweak it to OUR needs, both leagues under the umbrella of the N.S.B.A.
Daniel - you enjoy your holiday sunshine, we'll just wander around a snooker table thinking 'What are we doing here'
In Government lingo. Should we have a referendum ? by the current 18 teams plus any resigned teams (Wollaton etc) and any new teams (would they be interested in coming in/ or returning on a Tuesday night)
that's a classic clip Steve, just remember what she's saying in the song......
..........whatever will be, will be, the futures not ours to see.........
fate and destiny ....... it was all written before we were born......
Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never
will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So say with
confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid."
- Hebrews 13:5,6
fear nothing lads...........except Steve Judd of course
bash
I used to have a huge crush on Doris Day when I was a kid.
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Quote from: alancun on 10 March 2011
In Government lingo. Should we have a referendum ? by the current 18 teams plus any resigned teams (Wollaton etc) and any new teams (would they be interested in coming in/ or returning on a Tuesday night)
I'll let you organise that then Alan!
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You send me the list of contacts (e-mails, phones etc) for each club and I will arrange it.
Quote from: Steve on 10 March 2011
I used to have a huge crush on Doris Day when I was a kid.
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How old are you? Move over darling :laugh:
Annie, get your gun
This is getting silly all this "DEADWOOD" or is it just "PIllow talk" . Sorry i was a Doris Day fan too, but i remember the films when they were first shown. Ancient me? I bet you do too Alan?