The AGM of the Nazareth House Snooker League will soon be upon us (15th September). This is the time when players can propose rule and format changes. Each club is allowed 2 votes at the AGM and all proposals will be voted on by those present.
If anyone has any suggestions for rule or format changes, please post them on this thread for discussion in advance of the meeting.
Hate to bring this one up again but hey smell the coffee. Indications for the new season once again point to a reduction in teams for the new season...perhaps losing upto 4 sides. If we carry on at this rate we're not going to have a Tuesday night league in a couple of years. I know the 4 man format was turned down last year, in fact a couple of the teams who voted against this motion actually folded as they couldn't get the numbers to form a 6 man team :blush:
I propose a move to 5 man teams (5 singles frames at the same venue).
Although we at Pegasus have plenty of players, the same can also be said at BCI and Oakleigh, I think this move would really help most of the other clubs. As matches would only be at one venue clubs like Oakleigh where there is only one table would be able to enter 2 sides as we could ensure that both teams would not be at home on the same night.
My other proposals for when this gets turned down and we carry on regardless are:
KO Cup and plate to revert to what it says on the tin ie; straight knockout. But using the divisional cup format. Best of 7 frames with each frame using players handicap. First team pulled out of hat is technically the home side and therefore gets to play the only pairs frame at their home venue.
The 3 miss rule being tried out in the top division. Most of us are now used to playing this in cup comps and singles league and it hasn't caused any problems so I don't see why we shouldn't be playing it in the league.
Cheers
Mike
Hello,
I don't know if I'm posting this on the right bit, If Steve could move it if I am.. But Me, Kwok and others was thinking it would be a great idea to do a singles league linked to the handicaps, So a league of all the -21 players in one league, -14 in another, -7 in another and so on, so you can see who's handicap needs changing each season if they win, or come runner up! I think another idea is to maybe get rid of a monday night league, preferbly nnia so its better because its in the winter and everybody plays over the winter.. And bring in a world cup format like what the pro's have just finished, 2 man teams I.e me and steve butler are a team and where playing Mike and Wayne, I played Mike and Wayne in a 1 frame match, Steve plays Mike and Wayne 1 frame each and we play a doubles frame! So its basiclly a best of 5, just a thought from me and quite a few people from Bci and think it would be a great ide!!! ;)
Quote from: Sean Hopkin on 04 August 2011
I don't know if I'm posting this on the right bit, If Steve could move it if I am.. But Me, Kwok and others was thinking it would be a great idea to do a singles league linked to the handicaps, So a league of all the -21 players in one league, -14 in another, -7 in another and so on, so you can see who's handicap needs changing each season if they win, or come runner up! I think another idea is to maybe get rid of a monday night league, preferbly nnia so its better because its in the winter and everybody plays over the winter.. And bring in a world cup format like what the pro's have just finished, 2 man teams I.e me and steve butler are a team and where playing Mike and Wayne, I played Mike and Wayne in a 1 frame match, Steve plays Mike and Wayne 1 frame each and we play a doubles frame! So its basiclly a best of 5, just a thought from me and quite a few people from Bci and think it would be a great ide!!! ;)
This thread is purely for the Nazareth House Snooker League ("NHSL"). I think your ideas are more appropriate for the NBSA singles and pairs competitions. These have already been decided for the 2011/12 season.
If you have any proposals for the NHSL (Tuesday night team league - currently teams of 6-10 players) then post them here.
:thumbup:
Quote from: Sean Hopkin on 04 August 2011
Hello,
I don't know if I'm posting this on the right bit, If Steve could move it if I am.. But Me, Kwok and others was thinking it would be a great idea to do a singles league linked to the handicaps, So a league of all the -21 players in one league, -14 in another, -7 in another and so on, so you can see who's handicap needs changing each season if they win, or come runner up! I think another idea is to maybe get rid of a monday night league, preferbly nnia so its better because its in the winter and everybody plays over the winter.. And bring in a world cup format like what the pro's have just finished, 2 man teams I.e me and steve butler are a team and where playing Mike and Wayne, I played Mike and Wayne in a 1 frame match, Steve plays Mike and Wayne 1 frame each and we play a doubles frame! So its basiclly a best of 5, just a thought from me and quite a few people from Bci and think it would be a great ide!!! ;)
What do you mean get rid of the Monday night league? You'll have to fight me first.
Forget that then Lol :-)
I'd love Bob, Steve and the team to try it for a season! :)
All i'll say at the moment Snake is to look out for the announcement for the NBSA competitions. There might be something in it for you.
oh right! what's that mate?
Can't say until it's announced! You'll just have to be a little patient.
Five man teams sounds good, what about 5 singles and two pairs played at one venue. 7 points up for grabs each week.
To make it even more competitive you could include everybodies handicap mark, so it gives everybody a fighting chance each week.
To ensure all matches are played in one evening you could start at 7.30pm instead of 8pm.
Hi Nick - good to see you again the other night...looking forward to playing you again in singles league.
Re pairs frames - they tend to take a lot longer than singles frames and probably average at 30-40 minutes per frame so would probably struggle to fit 7 frames in.
The other option is 4 singles and 1 pairs frame which would allow teams to use between 4-6 players each night.
Quote from: MikeL on 05 August 2011
The other option is 4 singles and 1 pairs frame which would allow teams to use between 4-6 players each night.
I already mentioned this format on another thread as its a struggle to find more than 4 players!!
Hi Mike, was a good presentation night, we really enjoyed it.
I'm looking forward to the singles league, I hope it gets drawn up soon so we can see who is in which leaague etc.
I think your right 4-6 players, 4 singles and one pairs game would be good.
I hope we get a few more teams interested in the Nazareth house league this winter its a great season with all the competitions and singles leagues as well.
I have already announced that I will not be the Representative for Arnold CD this year and have informed Steve that under the current format I understand that Arnold will be only entering ONE team in the Naz House and that would preferably be in Div 2 because they do not feel that they will have a squad strong enough to compete at the higher level.
I, personally, think that the NNIA and the NAZ HOUSE Leagues should come under the NBSA, the NNIA playing on a Monday and the NAZ HOUSE on a Tueday. Again, personally, sticking my neck out as I have for the past few seasons, think we (NAZ HO) should take up the NNIA format of a '4 man team', home and away alternate weeks, - ie 4 'frame' pts and 1 match point.
NNIA & NAZ HO would still run their own individual Championships and team K.O.s
There could also be a free to enter NBSA Team K.O. - all teams from both Leagues 'going in the hat' The 1st team out of the hat would be the home team and depending if theirs is Monday or Tuesday it would we up to the away team if they were to contend they tie with a weaker team, but as a compensation they (as would all away teams) could be awarded the match point. So they could send just 2 players and win the tie.
I think 5 man teams with a doubles would cause considerable problems when it comes to Team K.O. comps.
Nick has mentioned 5 singles & 2 pairs with a 7.30 start !. Just imagine - 1 table - 30 mins a frame - 11 o'clock finish - travel back to base - travel home - SEE YOU TOMORROW>
I agree with you Alan that the NNIA & NHSL should come under the banner of the NBSA. We have fabulous committee on the NBSA and as you say they would still be independently run leagues with their own chairman, secretary. results secretary, and treasurer.
I don't however agree that the NHSL should adopt the NNIA format as it makes the leagues too much of a muchness.
Maybe things will change when Steve resigns as league secretary, and i possibly take over the NHSL job. It's a step in the right direction towards the NBSA taking over. Steve, hopefully, will be taking over as results secretary for both leagues.
If, and when, the NBSA take over there could be a NBSA cup competition along the lines you have set down. Maybe one of the other committee members could run it. Well volunteered Alan!!! It would have to be in conjunction with the NNIA and NHSL fixtures. Maybe a few weeks out of the leagues would be a good thing, as it would give teams another chance to win something, and give knocked out teams a time to play postponed matches.
Snake - Told you there would be something in it for you. See County cup! You just have to be patient.
As Mike LANGDON has pointed out we are likely to lose even more teams because they cannot raise the required 6 players. Surely this is the time to change to the 4 man format - clubs with pools of 8/9 players entering 1 team would surely be able to enter 2 teams in the NNIA format (I'm pretty sure Arnold would be able to field at least 2 teams).
Under the NBSA umbrella I would think both Leagues would only need a Secretary and a Treasurer.
League fixtures, collation of results, production of tables and any appeals could be dealt with by the committee of the NBSA. And, yes Bob, I would gladly oversee the running of the K.O. Competition.
Yes Alan. I see where you are coming from. But why would both leagues need a secretary and a treasurer. Yes a treasurer to collect the league fees and sort out the trophies. What would a secretary do if the NBSA did all the fixtures and league tables and collated the results?
If the NHSL go to a 4 man format, then you might as well call it the NBSA Monday and Tuesday night leagues. Would both leagues benefit from this. I think not as some of the Monday night teams would look at it and say why are we playing both nights with the same format. The Tuesday night teams might think well we might as well play on a Monday if it's going to be the same format. Nobody wins! That's why i would like to see the NHSL with different format as now. Maybe not the one they have now, but not the same as the Monday one. Why not 5 man teams playing 1 frame each, or even 3 man teams playing 2 frames each. I tried to implement the later in the BDSL, but the teams didn't want it. They like the 4 man format. Another suggestion could be 4 man teams playing 4 singles and a doubles. No bonus point for winning or getting a higher aggregate score but a result. It's either 5-0, 4-1, or 3-2 wins that way.
I think some of the die-hards will not want to lose their identity so they could be called the NBSA Institutes 'Monday' League and the NBSA Nazareth House 'Tuesday' League but I think in time the "Nazareth House" charitable scenario will vanish (there is no longer a Naz' House). If it wasnt for 'Spiders' suggestion of playing '3 singles and a pairs' the Naz House could have folded a couple of years ago.
To keep family peace most of us elder generation only play snooker 1 night a week and make the choice of either Monday or Tuesday. Dont forget that in years gone by there was the Super League (Wednesdays) and Billiards on a Friday.
This brings me onto another point - with the joint ventures why couldnt we resurrect the Super League on a Wednesday evening calling it the NBSA Premier inviting teams from all Notts Postcodes - Newark, Worksop, Long Eaton etc with a stipulation that they must have at least 2 tables available and play the 4 man team format but each player playing 2 frames.
If you to invite all notts postcodes alot of people will drop out as its too far to go to newark ect even more so at 7.30 or 8.00pm Bob i cant make the meeting but will you suggest to play 4 singles and a doubles that way we wont need any aggregate scoring and all the teams could chose to use 4 or 6 man teams!
Hi Toby.
I was only suggesting a 'Premier' League in addition to the Monday/Tuesday night games so I cant see any teams dropping out. As regards distance, they, Newark, Worksop, Long Eaton, have the same problem. If there's enough cash incentive they will travel.
I just think the Naz House need to reduce number of team members to keep the League going.
Sorry alan i misunderstood u was talking about an extra league with 'cash' involved :)
That's like trying to bring back a superleague type of league again isn't it Alan. All I say is bring back superleague. The only reason it dispanded was due to corn exchange winning it every year. But the fact is it was great to play players like Holty. Dave roe, Gary wilkinson .they had a great squad. But it was a great league. That I believe save Gibson used to run.
Bring it on ! ! !. But that of course will have to be discussed by the NBSA, at the moment we are trying to find out the 'way forward' for the Naz House - it would however be interesting to know how the members would feel at the A.G.M.
Thanks for all your contributions. It certainly looks like the majority of people who have taken the time to contribute feel that a move to 4-man teams is necessary to sustain team numbers.
These are the teams I believe we will have for the new season if we persist with the current format:
Pegasus A
Pegasus B
BCI SE
BCI B (can you raise 6 players Toby?)
Arnold CD
Oakleigh Lodge
Mapperley
Cotgrave
City Hospital
Lenton A
Lenton B
That's it guys – 11 teams!
I have not had any approaches from prospective new teams this year.
I personally think the time has come to merge the NHSL and NNIA leagues. I also like the idea of a Super League. I think we should bring the team leagues into the NBSA to give the following set up:
NBSA Monday League
Format exactly the same as the current NNIA format. All NHSL clubs/teams (who don't play in NNIA as well) encouraged to enter this league and play on Monday nights.
NBSA Tuesday Super League
Four man teams, each player playing two frames each. Teams must use 2 tables.
I am confident I would be able to attract sponsors for these two leagues.
I would be happy to run quarterly team charity tournaments at various clubs to ensure that we are still able to support charities and good causes.
The NBSA committee has the capacity to run these leagues no problem. I would be perfectly happy to take care of the finances and the results/website. I am sure Bob would be happy to sort the fixtures and cup draws like he does now.
Just my thoughts.
If any teams are struggling for players i am more than willing to help anyone out.
Assumeing anyone wants me.
2 frames power player is the way forward, exactly what steve tried to do a few seasons back.
I agree with everything you say Steve. Yes i would be happy to do all the fixtures etc. The only problem i foresee is Oakleigh Lodge on a Tuesday using 2 tables.
The other thing i would want to discuss is league fees for both leagues. I do not know what the current fees are for the NHSL, but it's £30 per team in the NNIA. This is split into £25 to the league to pay for trophies, £2 per team to go to charity, £3 per team to the NBSA for contributions to the singles/doubles etc. I sure we could sort something out that would be beneficial to both leagues and the NBSA, and still keep the contributions to charity.
Hope to see everyone on Tuesday for the charity Shield match.
Quote from: R WRIGHT on 30 August 2011
I agree with everything you say Steve. Yes i would be happy to do all the fixtures etc. The only problem i foresee is Oakleigh Lodge on a Tuesday using 2 tables.
The other thing i would want to discuss is league fees for both leagues. I do not know what the current fees are for the NHSL, but it's £30 per team in the NNIA. This is split into £25 to the league to pay for trophies, £2 per team to go to charity, £3 per team to the NBSA for contributions to the singles/doubles etc. I sure we could sort something out that would be beneficial to both leagues and the NBSA, and still keep the contributions to charity.
Hope to see everyone on Tuesday for the charity Shield match.
I would hope that Oakleigh Lodge would enter two teams on a Monday. I wouldn't expect them to play in the Super League on a Tuesday.
My idea does away with NNIA & NHSL. There would just be a Monday league and a Super League which play on the same nights of the week as the current NNIA & NHSL leagues.
Regarding match fees, we would just need to set them at a level which would afford the buying of trophies. If sponsors were forthcoming you could reduce the fees accordingly. You wouldn't have to worry about the £3 levy to NBSA any more because the Monday league would be run by the NBSA anyway. As for the charity element, I would prefer the quarterly charity tournament set up because it would be more structured. We could nominate the charity in advance of the tournament and all money raised from the event would be donated afterwards, similar to the charity shield. We could even have someone from the charity present at the event to receive the donation and we could also invite a photographer from the paper.
I would prefer to have the NBSA Tuesday League with the 4 man team as the current NNIA which would accommodate the current Naz House teams - (for us minnows who cant compete at the higher level).
The NBSA SUPER League on a Wednesday with the 2 table availibilty criteria.
With reference to my above comment. I now find that at Arnold we would be in a bit of a dilemma - the club would not allow us to have 2 tables on a WEDNESDAY night so that would put a spanner in my thoughts.
So we would have to go back to the Tuesday situation - would we put 2 teams of 4 players on 2 tables (Super League) OR 2 teams of 4 players on 1 table NHSL, playing alternate weeks home and away.
The proposition of playing on a Monday has been discussed but no one seems interested.
Quote from: alancun on 30 August 2011
I would prefer to have the NBSA Tuesday League with the 4 man team as the current NNIA which would accommodate the current Naz House teams - (for us minnows who cant compete at the higher level).
The NBSA SUPER League on a Wednesday with the 2 table availibilty criteria.
You would then be giving teams a choice of whether to play on a Monday or a Tuesday. That would be the only criteria for them to make their choice because the formats would be identical on both nights. I could then see teams asking each other "which night are you playing on?" and we would end up with a situation where one night would have lots of teams and the other would have hardly any. Who would want to play in a league with hardly any teams? That's why I suggested that everyone plays on the same night, thus creating one big league with all the teams in it.
The Tuesday league would be a Super League for all the best players. If you think there are players who will play on a Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday you are dreaming. A lot of players are pushing it to play on 2 nights a week, me and Bob included!
I've just realised that what I'm basically proposing is that the NHSL folds and all the teams switch to playing on a Monday. Not exactly a good thing considering I'm Chairman! Perhaps I should resign from the Committee altogether. :D
A summary of the proposals so far which keep the league going:
Mike Langdon: 5 man teams (5 singles frames)
Mike Langdon: 4-6 man teams (4 singles and 1 pairs frame)
Alan Cunningham: 4 man teams, same format as NNIA
If I've missed any please let me know. :-[
PS. I don't think we have had anyone on here yet fighting for the format to stay as it is. :(
Sorry, I amended my last without see YOUR last.
I dont expect players to play Mon, Tues & Wed. BUT there are some teams and players whose social life is set for playing snooker on a Tuesday, if you a saying that they have now to either play on a Monday OR up their game and play at a standard which could be way above them on a Tuesday you will lose those players altogether. (City Hosp, Mapperly, Lenton, Cotgrave, Arnold 'B', Lenton 'A' & 'B').
I think most people have to accept that over the years we have gone from 8 man - 6 man and now really most consider a 4 man team to keep things going.
We could of course have to NBSA Tuesday League with Div 1 being the Super League '4 players, 2 frames, 2 tables' and Div 2 with '4 players, 1 frame, 1 table'. Then of course you would get problems with relegation and promotion - who would be a Chairman.
:'(
It's all good fun Alan! At the end of the day it's what teams want that counts. We can only make proposals as to how things are going. We have to stick to what is available at the time. If that changes then we have to put other things to the teams and see what they think. Then we have to go with the majority. Who'd be a secretary, chairman, or anything else involved with running snooker leagues. We would - cause we love doing it!
I know, its gud int it.
Bin doing it for 40 years (no, its not about time I gave up) even remember (R.I.P.) the old County League - just trying to keep a happy ship and keep things going to suit the majority.
Quote from: Steve on 30 August 2011
Mike Langdon: 4-6 man teams (4 singles and 1 pairs frame)
If I've missed any please let me know. :-[
I think this format is best for my team and no Steve i can only raise 4 players!
The 8 man format worked for years and then numbers started to dwindle and then, to keep things going, we introduced the '3 singles and 1 pairs' home and away. This was fine until sadly it became abused when top teams were just using 3 players at home and away with the 2 better players playing in the pairs at each venue.
Again things need to be changed that is why I suggested that the Div 1 of the NBSA Tuesday (NHSL) become the NEW Super League - each team consisting of 4 players, each playing 2 frames (if your squad has more that 4 players and you want to keep them happy then integrate them into 4 players/2 frames set up). There would be no automatic relegation or promotion to/from lower divisions.
The subsequent Divisions of this League would still play on a Tuesday but with the '4 man single frame' set up.
I dont see why we need to start a new Wednesday evening scenario because I think you would lose teams from the NNIA & NHSL
The latest figures on the Wednesday night poll, 60%, seems to support what I have been saying -
1. Would not be able to play on a Wednesday night (20%)
2. Would play on a Wednesday - but would not play on a Mon/Tues as well.(40%)
If there were no promotion and relegation what incentive is there for the lower division teams to improve? Also the lower league would always be won by the same/best team in it because they wouldn't get promoted and would always be the top team in the divisions. That's when we would possibly lose teams as they are fed-up of the same team winning every year. I know it's up too them to improve and beat the top team, but no incentive to do so if you don't get promoted and then pit yourselves against the "elite" teams.
What I meant to say was there would be no automatic promotion to the Super League, (the main criteria being that they would have to have 2 tables available). If your club hasnt got 2 tables available then you cant play in the Super League.
If the team winning Div 1 has two tables then, yes, they could be promoted
Also, a team not being a member of the NBSA, could obviously join and apply to go direct into the Super League if they have the right number of players and tables.
Quote from: MikeL on 04 August 2011
The 3 miss rule being tried out in the top division. Most of us are now used to playing this in cup comps and singles league and it hasn't caused any problems so I don't see why we shouldn't be playing it in the league.
The reason we shouldn't be using it in any competition is that it's a made up rule. :P
OK, why do I give a @#!*? After all it's no biggie, right? Wrong. It is the principle of what game we are playing. Are we playing amateur snooker or making up our own rules? We know your answer and it's the wrong one in my not especially humble opinion. Should any player ever lose a frame because we are playing a rule not in the official rule book? You know the right answer and it's the one I'd give. :lol: :D
Quote from: Steve on 30 August 2011
NBSA Tuesday Super League
Four man teams, each player playing two frames each. Teams must use 2 tables.
Can somebody please explain to me why:-
1. If the 2 frames power play is a better format why NHSL as a whole can't all play that way and continue to have several divisions?
2. If we adopted item 1, why that wouldn't be a good way of keeping the number of teams in NHSL high enough for the league to survive.
I'm sorry to say it but I find it intensely irritating that every time there is a mention of the possibility of playing a format really worth making the effort to turn up for (2 frames of snooker) then suddenly big prizes and "Super League" and such like start to be bandied around. It is discussed as though it shouldn't be an option for lesser lights to be permitted the "honour" of playing what is clearly the best team format.
Has anyone else noticed this, or am I completely mad? (You aren't allowed to answer yes to that question)
P.S. I am not against the idea of a big prize. However, I think if there was no prize at all many players would still prefer to play that format, especially considering many teams can't raise enough players to play the old format.
Bad day at work Dan?
The plain and simple truth is an average frame time for let's say Bash v Nav Hussain is probably about 20 minutes. The average frame time if it was me vs you is probably about 40 minutes. You do the maths but you ain't gonna get many Div 2 teams willing to start matches at 5pm to ensure matches get finished.
I agree with you about cash prizes but as Steve has already pointed out we started giving out cash as a replacement to individual trophies which was one hell of a pain of job to get sorted, not as an incentive to play.
Yes you are correct that the 3 miss rule is a made up rule but it's a damn good one if you ask me for our level. Just cause it's not in the rule book doesn't make it a bad idea. It's certainly better than not playing it and more enjoyable than having to watch your opponent who isn't a pro afterall have miss called on him for the 15th time.
More and more sports are looking at having 2 sets of rules ie one for the professional/amateur game and another set for the recreational player (that's most us) whilst players like Bash and Steve Judd are classed as amateur due to the comps they enter. Hopefully snooker will also be looking at this so we don't have to feel guilty about playing an unpure form of the game.
I agree with mike about the miss rule, it's something that works very well for the nhsl and no ones ever complained about this rule. As for 2 frame snooker, this was discussed last year I think and I dont want to write down all the pros and cons but it's the way forward in my opinion. Some players may even sacrifice the 1 frame and do something else for the evening as they feel it's just not worth coming out for and has happened when I played for peoples hall.
If kept like this, I feel the league will lose more players and then eventually teams will pull out. Why risk all of the hard work that had gone into making nottingham into a very good snooker scene into something which does not bring in more teamsa nd then eventually starts fading.
Quote from: MikeL on 12 September 2011
More and more sports are looking at having 2 sets of rules ie one for the professional/amateur game and another set for the recreational player (that's most us) whilst players like Bash and Steve Judd are classed as amateur due to the comps they enter. Hopefully snooker will also be looking at this so we don't have to feel guilty about playing an unpure form of the game.
Snooker does differentiate between types of snooker. It has been made absolutely clear by the governing body that the miss rule is not designed for recreational snooker. There is supposed to be an element of referee judgement in how the rule is implemented. The way I am watching it normally played in Nottingham is that every time a player misses a snooker (except when snookers req'd) it is called a miss until the third time. It is NOT a miss every time you fail to get out of a snooker as you know (being a ref). If we are not meant to play it that way then players need to have clarity on this. If we are meant to play it that way then surely that is not the miss rule being applied?
Quote from: mr147 on 12 September 2011
I agree with mike about the miss rule, it's something that works very well for the nhsl and no ones ever complained about this rule.
I would tend to agree with you both that it is a good rule (despite wanting to play the ACTUAL rules really) if it was played in the spirit of the real miss rule. That would mean that it is not a miss every time you fail to get out of a snooker as many players (not all) seem to think...
Quote from: mr147 on 12 September 2011
As for 2 frame snooker, this was discussed last year I think and I dont want to write down all the pros and cons but it's the way forward in my opinion. Some players may even sacrifice the 1 frame and do something else for the evening as they feel it's just not worth coming out for and has happened when I played for peoples hall.
If kept like this, I feel the league will lose more players and then eventually teams will pull out. Why risk all of the hard work that had gone into making nottingham into a very good snooker scene into something which does not bring in more teamsa nd then eventually starts fading.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Quote from: MikeL on 12 September 2011
The plain and simple truth is an average frame time for let's say Bash v Nav Hussain is probably about 20 minutes. The average frame time if it was me vs you is probably about 40 minutes. You do the maths but you ain't gonna get many Div 2 teams willing to start matches at 5pm to ensure matches get finished.
Hold on, we are already looking at 5 frames in the County cup and possibly in the NHSL league. It's only one extra frame.
How about we start at 7.00pm (which will happen TO EVERYONE if the NHSL folds and we play in an merged league NNIA on Mondays with a "superleague" Tues) if there is only 1 table available and the last frame doesn't start by 10.45PM (THAT IS 45 MINUTES PER FRAME FOR THE FIRST 5 FRAMES!) then either captain can opt to have the last frame halved? They could even be asked to take this option by 8.30pm to stop the rule being used tactically. The reality is that teams would almost never claim the half unless they have no choice and matches would most likely be completed without too much of a problem.
For clarity, I have summarised the new format in my next post. Please, listen to me.
Summary of new format
Teams to consist of 3 players playing 2 frames each OR up to 6 players with the captain deciding on who plays which frames. Matches to be played on 2 tables where possible.
1. Matches to start at 7.00pm OR 8.00pm (at the discretion of the home captain if the home team can provide 2 tables). Teams must have at least 1 player present at 7.00pm to start the match.
2. If, due to slow play, the final frame cannot start by 10.45pm then either captain shall have the option of having the final frame halved but must alert their opponents before 8.30pm (to avoid the possibility of players using the option tactically). If both captains agree then the final frame must be played as normal.
3. Teams will be awarded 2 league points for a win and 1 point for a draw. In cup matches the highest break will decide the winner?
These rules:-
A) Give teams 45 minutes per frame to play 6 frames. That should be enough time.
B) Allow teams with 1 table to enter.
C) Allow clubs with 1 table to still have 2 teams. One team can play away and one at home on any given week.
D) Allow teams to play up to 6 players if they wish. This gives captains more flexibility in terms of numbers of players.
This would make the league more flexible and exciting. None of the other options under consideration offer us more flexibility (i.e 3 to 6 players and teams with any number of tables). This is the way we should go on one night even if we opt for the 2 leagues to merge. The top division could still have the big prize so giving something for all to aim for and a golden carrot to attract the best players.
Could one of you lot possibly print this summary off and take it to the meeting? My printer is not working. Thanks. :)
P.S. Yes we have been here before but many agree that we made the wrong decision. We can rectify the mistake on Thursday. The arguments against this rule were spurious and some of the teams who voted against this have had to pull out of the league since then because they could not get enough players to play the old rules. Doh!
Why compromise? We all want to play 2 frames surely? If you want to play only 4 frames then enter the Monday league where that is already happening.
Just couple of points Daniel.
1) Matches to start at 7:00. Some people work until 5:30. That gives them an hour and a half to get home, have a meal (They might even have to cook it themselves), get changed and sort themselves out and get to a venue. No time for a practice knock before the match. That's why the NNIA doesn't start till 7:30 and the NHSL doesn't start until 8:00.
2) No matches should finish later than 10:30. That's last frame over and done with. Some people have to be at work the following morning at 6:00. If a match isn't finished until after that then when are they going to get some sleep?
3) Good concept though. I tried to bring this in in the BDSL (Summer League) 2 years ago. Nobody wanted to know. Why? I want to play with my mates and if there's only 3 whats the other player going to do. I don't want to play in that team, with those players. There are a lot of arguments if you want to change a format.
4) If a team has 6 players then you are only going to play 1 frame each. What's the difference between that and the NNIA. If you had 5 players then only 1 of them is going to play 2 frames. I see arguments as to who plays the 2 frames.
5) There are too many if's and buts in this. A stable format is what's needed. Even a compromise one is better than not playing at all.
Mike L , in your example about frame times , just to let you know i once gave Nav a very good 3-0 pasting at pego which took about 16 mins. I think we average 5 min frames because Nav is a really fast referee.
Thanks for remembering me in your examples , it means so so much to me. After i beat nav he went for electric shock treatment accompanied with hunzla as below:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/295000/images/_295597_ect300.jpg)
Cheers bash
I am really sorry about this Nav, but i have just fallen off my computer chair and my socks are in the air as i have been laughing my socks off. What is more funny is that i had an odd pair of socks on today together with an odd pair of underpants. i wear two underpants, one for the front and one for the rear. paddinton bear is on the front of todays and on the rear i have that teddy from comic relief.
Also, i noticed there have been a lot of recents posts about snooker. I hope this will not be continuing as i am more interest in people and how they lives their lives away from this game.
Alos well done to sherwood on winning the league and also well done to lee Crombie for enjoying his sunday and well done to mark lazoroski. If your not sure who he is then dont worry, i just made up the name but well done to him anyway.
i better go cause its all gonna get a little out of control if i continue all this nonsense.
Bash, i think you have been dreaming that you beat me 3-0 , but thats ok, everyone is entitled to have a good dream now and again. I am also shocked at the way Bash came dressed to sherwood club last night, i know that you have 2 jobs, but you cant simply come into the club like that (see below), im sure everyone will agree here
(http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad229/HZALTEZZA/borat.jpg)
Nav, your one step ahead of me with the computer tricks, but I will personally be awarding you a trophy for that image. That is from the top draw. I am now laughing my pants off at myself.
Bash
Well done Nav
Quote from: mr147 on 13 September 2011
Bash, i think you have been dreaming that you beat me 3-0 , but thats ok, everyone is entitled to have a good dream now and again. I am also shocked at the way Bash came dressed to sherwood club last night, i know that you have 2 jobs, but you cant simply come into the club like that (see below), im sure everyone will agree here
(http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad229/HZALTEZZA/borat.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Having just seen the fixture list for the team I run here in the Shire I have absolutely no chance of setting up a team from the BCI, which funnily enough a few of us were willing to do....
That really should put some Nottingham players to shame....
Quote from: R WRIGHT on 13 September 2011
3) Good concept though. I tried to bring this in in the BDSL (Summer League) 2 years ago. Nobody wanted to know. Why? I want to play with my mates and if there's only 3 whats the other player going to do. I don't want to play in that team, with those players. There are a lot of arguments if you want to change a format.
We're changing the format anyway. I am firmly in the camp that believes there is absolutely no point whatever offering the same formate on two nights. I would prefer to play in the Monday league and have the option of playing the 3 man 6 frames on Tuesday or
vice versa. Perhaps it would make sense if the league with the smaller number of players should change nights in a merged league playing 4 frames and the new format on another night?
The long and short of it is that I am requesting that we run a second division under the new format for those of us who would like to play it but have no chance of going for a big prize. Is that too much to ask? Even on a Wednesday?
OK, if you have to have 2 tables in the new format night than so be it. I see your point about times and work. If we want to play the format then we can easily find a place to play with 2 tables. Teams with one table will just have to play in a merged league (assuming we vote to merge). I'd certainly try to raise a team if the chance was there and I know there are players interested.
Mr Chair, please can we put that possibility up for discussion Thurs night?
The merging of the 2 leagues is a non-starter. The NNIA teams don't want it. Some of the NHSL teams are against it too. It will happen one day when there are only 4 teams left in the whole of Nottingham, but until then!!!! Excluding teams because they only have 1 table will further diminish the teams playing.
Changing the format on a Tuesday is inevitable as teams cannot raise enough players to play in the format NHSL do now. As to what format it's up to the teams.
I haven't been reading anyone else's post's and I'm trying not to fall in this deep dangerous hole, But I'd still love to see the 2man team format introduced, 2v2. Me and my partner play one frame each against the other two and then a doubles frame at the end!
You've not read the NBSA then. See county cup format (http://nottinghamsnooker.com/nbsa/tournament_pack_2011-12.pdf).
This isn't about 2 man teams. This is about teams 3 or more players. 2 players don't make team. They make a pair. (And you don't get anything for a pair, not in this game. Quote from Bruce Forsyth on play your cards right.)
who asked for your opinion Sean, get to bed you dirty little twat and make sure you do your maths homework.
You know your Sin, cos, and tan....etc.
Clean your ears out as well.
Sorry John Lennon! I mean Bash Lol :L
I just like playing snooker.....
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Quote from: R WRIGHT on 14 September 2011
The merging of the 2 leagues is a non-starter. The NNIA teams don't want it. Some of the NHSL teams are against it too.
Seriously? I would have thought they were bored of the same team winning all the time. :D
Quote from: dwayne51 on 15 September 2011
I just like playing snooker.....
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And posting chit chat on snooker forums? :P