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Please note that with immediate effect, Matt Walters has been upgraded from a grade 2 to a grade 1. This upgrade was actioned upon the request of the player.
The NBSA Committee will always grant an upgrade upon the request of the player concerned, however requests to downgrade must be agreed upon by the Committee and may not always be granted.
The Committee will be meeting this Wednesday 6th February. If any player would like to be considered for a downgrade, or request an upgrade, please let us know.
Additionally, if there is anything else you would like the Committee to discuss at the meeting, please let us know either by replying to this thread or sending an email to mail@nottinghamsnoooker.com
Items for the Agenda
1. Payment of team league entry fees
2. Monday Team League - 2 frames each?
3. Jamie Sampson - downgrade from 1 to 2
4. Coin toss or Lucky Loser?
5. Sean Croft - downgrade from 2 to 3
6. Unregistered players - bring in late as grade 1?
Hello Steve,
I would ask the committe to consider the following request please:-
To change Monday snooker to the same format as Tuesday's, ie, play 2 frames each.
I have spoken to a few players who also agree with this change but of course I don't know if this is universal.
The main reason is that for me, coming out for a night of snooker and playing one frame isn't as enjoyable as to the 2 frames on a Tuesday night. With 2 frames it gives both players a chance to get their "eye in" and in my opinion provides for more fluent attacking snooker (as players aren't so concerned at making a mistake which could cost them the frame). Also, for a lot of players driving long distances and coming out for just 1 frame of snooker doesn't add up.
Obviously, for 1 table venues then we can just double up the frame scores as currently happens on Tuesday nights.
I will leave this open to the floor if anyone has any views before it is considered by the committee.
Can I also recommend that Jamie Sampson is downgraded to a 2 please. I think Jamie would agree that he is not playing as much and his level is probably incorrect at the moment. Happy to discuss more at the meeting.
Steve I'd like to be upgraded to 1 mate.
Quote from: Ant McMahon on 04 February 2013
Steve I'd like to be upgraded to 1 mate.
Consider yourself upgraded from 2 to 1 immediately mate. You're now a grade 1 in all NBSA leagues and competitions.
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The grades of all players (including non-members) can be found HERE (http://nottinghamsnooker.com/nbsa/player_grades.htm).
could'nt agree more Harvey, to make the Monday the same as a Tuesday format would be spot on.
can we get more players requesting to change grades to, some of you out there must be getting better?????? :P
can i be downgraded to grade 2 please. my doctor has advised me to be grade 2 as its causes me mental problems !
Three agenda items please, one of which Harvey already suggested.....
Two frames on MondayI'll second Harvey's comments about the preference for 2 frames on a Monday night for teams. Especially among players who have tried the two frames format, the preference for 2 frames is practically universal.
Unregistered playersI'd like to see a rule change regarding unregistered/non-handicapped players turning out for teams "at the last minute". Currently the rule is: When a player not registered/handicapped 24 hours before a match they lose the frame in a team match 147-0. A more sensible alternative would be:
QuoteThe captain concerned to apply for a handicap/grade before the match regardless of timing. In the event that a handicap/grade is not awarded by the time a match starts then the player must play as a grade 1 player.
A player cannot be disadvantaged more than playing with a Grade 1 handicap anyway so the result could not be effected in favour of the players team.
Sometimes captains are confronted with difficult situations and need to bring in players late. Surely anything that makes that easier is a good thing (e.g. one of our Monday players has pulled out very late this week due to unavoidable circumstances).
Coin tossing to decide matchesI know this probably wont get far but.....
QuoteRule to apply in knock out tournaments: In the event that neither players calls to claim a match or submit a result then both players concerned are eliminated from the tournament. A losing player who abided by the rules in the previous round will be drawn out of the hat and go through as a lucky loser instead.
The rule is similar to tennis when a player is disqualified or injured in qualifying a lucky loser goes through. If you can't play your match within the rules then you should be out if no contact is made. The big anomaly this removes is where some players are eliminated for not playing (if their opponent claims the match) while others go through by a coin toss (because their opponent also fails to complete their fixture).
"Coin tossing to decide matches
I know this probably wont get far but.....
Quote
Rule to apply in knock out tournaments: In the event that neither players calls to claim a match or submit a result then both players concerned are eliminated from the tournament. A losing player who abided by the rules in the previous round will be drawn out of the hat and go through as a lucky loser instead.
The rule is similar to tennis when a player is disqualified or injured in qualifying a lucky loser goes through. If you can't play your match within the rules then you should be out if no contact is made. The big anomaly this removes is where some players are eliminated for not playing (if their opponent claims the match) while others go through by a coin toss (because their opponent also fails to complete their fixture)."
I like this idea a lot, it is much fairer than the current system, I would also support 2 frames on a Monday. One of the reasons I don't play on a Monday is all that faffing about for one frame - no thanks...
If you play 2 frames on Mondays as well as Tuesdays then there might not be a need to run a league both nights. You might all as well play on Mondays. There has to some difference in the format or it's of no consequence as to when you play. This would also upset the clubs,where they require the revenue from both nights. There are 2 ways in which this could work. 1) by only having 3 players on a Monday. 2) by using the same Monday format as it is now (EG aggregate scores). Anyone think of any more?
I am happy with either format, ie, 3 players or aggregate format...
I guess if we have 3 players there is greater scope for a higher number of teams perhaps?
Please, dont go down this '3 man' or '6 man' teams again.
Yes we need to keep both the MONDAY & TUESDAY night Leagues formats going.
We cant all play on the ONE night. Playing on 2 nights surely raises more revenue.
I have always been for agreeing for each player to play 2 frames - nobody really wants to turn out, weather or distance just to play ONE frame.
I know the problem with the Monday League was if they only have one table, but why, has been suggested, if that is the case then just double up on the frame scores.
This would obviously need a 'major rethink' for the Monday League points system as they would use their unique scoring system ie '1 point per frame and 1 point for the match'.
I would suggest both Mon & Tues Leagues playing the 2 frame system.
Based on what I have just read for Monday nights I suggest:
4 players playing 2 frames each.
A league table of frames won and keep the bonus point (aggregate) - similar to Mondays now.
I agree with Bob that there should be a difference between the nights after all. I would not be completely against three player teams but I do prefer four.
I think 2 frames per player will work on a Monday night aswell as Tuesday,but i would agree with Dan and suggest you get a point for every frame that you win on either night and the bonus point if your team wins.
Call me old school, but monday nights has always been 4 players 4 frames its worked for this long so why change. im totaly with bob if both leagues are the exactly the same then why 2 leagues might as well just play 1 league on a monday or a tuesday and scrap the other.
We then also have the problem with 1 table clubs, what do we do play just 1 frame ( which brings us back to square 1 again cause then ur just playing frame which u dont want to do) and double the scores at the end is that fair on them or other teams then that a 1 table club could never get a 5-3 or a 6-1 win which would then affect frames for and against.
The Monday night league should really keep its 'identity' and play 1pt per frame plus a match point.
Bit I think it should really consider the 2 frame format - more players are likely to turn out for 2 frames as against 1 frame.
Surely the committee would NOT consider saying "Alright, one League, and play on either a Monday or Tuesday" - can you just imagine the fixture problems.
We need to stick to MONDAYAND TUESDAY Leagues.
Down to you Bob, and the Committee.
I think Harvey Pabla, Alan Cunningham and 'hit the nail on the head' Andy Carnell have solved the problems between them.
Monday snooker can keep its identity by playing 2 frames each and keeping four players per team. Theres only Ruddington and Willowbrook Arms that have one table so I don't think its an issue doubling the point score at those two venues. A point for a winning frame plus an additional point for a match win. However I think 2points for a match win and an extra point each for a draw would be better. ( just to add an extra complication lol)
All six players at Ruddington also would like to play two frames each on a monday night even though our home games would be one each.
Quote from: James Robinson on 04 February 2013
Call me old school, but monday nights has always been 4 players 4 frames its worked for this long so why change
One simple, resounding reason. The players want to play 2 frames.
Is there a better reason?
Quote from: Daniel Norton on 04 February 2013
Especially among players who have tried the two frames format, the preference for 2 frames is practically universal.
I was keen to find out if this was the case so I did a quick text survey of all Monday night team captains tonight (17 of them) and this is the result:
Q. Would you rather play 2 frames each on a Monday night?(http://nottinghamsnooker.com/Images/Clipart/survey_04-02-13.png)
I have not had any response from Shaun, Kwok, Mick O'Neill or Jeff. Mick Walker was not able to give me a vote as he was not with the rest of his team.
I think you will agree that the preference for 2 frames is not as universally popular as some people would have us believe.
" However 2 points for a match win and 1 each for a draw would be better. Just to add an extra complication"
That's fine Nick. You can run it then. It's complicated enough as it is.
Update - Kwok has just voted NO on behalf of BCI Elites:
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We know you (Bob) and Steve do a GREAT job and there are other players out there who just try to put their views and suggestions to the Committee.
But, we always seem to get the same 'put down' - if you can do a better job come and do it !!
Can I return to a grade 2 please.
Sorry Jeff, only just spotted your YES vote on behalf of your team:
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Quote from: alancun on 05 February 2013
We know you (Bob) and Steve do a GREAT job and there are other players out there who just try to put their views and suggestions to the Committee.
But, we always seem to get the same 'put down' - if you can do a better job come and do it !!
You know as i know ( though i dont have alot to do with the running of the leagues but ive seen all the stuff bob puts into it over the years ) running the leagues is not as easy as some people think it is
Quote from: Mike Langdon on 05 February 2013
Can I return to a grade 2 please.
Consider it done Mike. Don't forget to use your new grade with immediate effect.
Quote from: Steve Butler on 04 February 2013
I was keen to find out if this was the case so I did a quick text survey of all Monday night team captains tonight (17 of them) and this is the result:
With respect Steve, the Monday night captains are not all the players are they? In fact they are less than a quarter obviously.
Anyway, it's good the vote favours the change. 8)
The particular point I was trying to make earlier is that most players,
ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE PLAYED 2 FRAMES (clearly more of them play Tuesday currently) prefer the 2 frame format. In other words, once a player has played 2 frames, they rarely look back.
Either what the players think matters to the committee or it doesn't. Suggesting something is not an attack on how things are run. Frankly, this is the only way players can influence decisions so getting shirty with anyone for having their say is hardly fair.
Quote from: Daniel Norton on 05 February 2013
With respect Steve, the Monday night captains are not all the players are they? In fact they are less than a quarter obviously.
Hence why I did the survey on a Monday night whilst all the captains would be with their teams and thus able to discuss it with them, which they did. This is why one captain felt he was unable to vote because he was not with his team-mates by the time he read my text. Another captain who prefers to play one frame (and he does play on a Tuesday too) still voted 'yes' because his team-mates disagreed with him.
I can assure you that I do know what I am doing! :)
Morning all,
I don't normally play Monday nights but have done on occasion covering for Toby in the BCI B team.
I personally would prefer 2 frames per player but keep the current Monday score system i.e. point for a frame, bonus point for win & aggregate frames scores so that Monday's can retain a close link to the original Nott's Institutes Leagues (I Think)
Paul
I've never understood this bonus point for winning the match lark you seem to use, why not just have four singles and a doubles at the end, this way at least two players get to play the desired by some two frames of snooker every other week???
I guess given my recent results some thought should be given to moving me up to a grade 3 also.... Not bad for somebody who still can't make a 20 break on a regular basis! :D :D :D :D
"We always seem to get the same put down! If you can do the job better then come and do it!" Quote AC.
Yes, but we never get any takers!!!!!! Wrong!!! We get a lot of takers and no givers.
maybe a frame each then a doubles game? something lottle different???
Quote from: Robert Wright on 05 February 2013
Yes, but we never get any takers!!!!!! Wrong!!! We get a lot of takers and no givers.
Advertise then. What is it you guys would like help with? You asked for suggestions and we have offered some. :)
I like Matt's idea.......... (although i think 2 doubles matches)
4 singles matches and 2 doubles matches (Players 1&2 and Players 3&4 team up)
That way all 4 players get 2 frames - albeit one of them being a doubles match
also if we were to do this, single table venues could probably accomodate this.
Just thought i would throw that out there :P
Oh...... and for the record, i think the committee do an outstanding job ;D
Quote from: Dwayne Martin on 05 February 2013
I guess given my recent results some thought should be given to moving me up to a grade 3 also.... Not bad for somebody who still can't make a 20 break on a regular basis! :D :D :D :D
If you are asking to be upgraded from 4 to 3 Dwayne, then I can do that for you no problem. Are you asking?
Quote from: Dwayne Martin on 05 February 2013
I guess given my recent results some thought should be given to moving me up to a grade 3 also.... Not bad for somebody who still can't make a 20 break on a regular basis! :D :D :D :D
I agree that you should be a grade 3 Dwayne.
Quote from: Jon Sully on 05 February 2013
Quote from: Dwayne Martin on 05 February 2013
I guess given my recent results some thought should be given to moving me up to a grade 3 also.... Not bad for somebody who still can't make a 20 break on a regular basis! :D :D :D :D
I agree that you should be a grade 3 Dwayne.
I don't think I'm good enough to be a grade 3, I'm a good grade 4 and I'd be a very poor grade three, which, if you don't mind me saying so are probably most of the players in our division, we're just nowhere near consistent enough overall with our game, Manfred is top of the league because overall he looks the most consistent of the players I've played. I can pot a long ball as well as anybody, but when it comes to the finer elements of the game that take you to the next level, it's just not there. Steve Burrows steamed division 3 last year as he has some elements of those finer points as well as being a superb long potter, with all due respect to you all, I've yet to see anybody else play as well as he did last season.
I played Jeff Kerins (Grade 3), who to me without doubt would have hammered me had things been a lot less stressed for him, you can see he's capable of knocking in regular 50+ breaks when his game is on it, when my game is on it I can make a decent 20 break before breaking down....
I think it's the same for all the grades though, you have very good players amongst them, those who can be very good and those who are good now and again as well as those who've had a good day once a season....
You should have been a politician Dwayne. What grade do you think you should be again? LOL
On ability, I think you are a grade 3. On consistency, like me, you could be anything.... I prefer being a grade 3 because when I play well it is embarrassing to get a start on grade 3 players (and feels unfair).
Quote from: Paul Wainwright on 05 February 2013
I personally would prefer 2 frames per player but keep the current Monday score system i.e. point for a frame, bonus point for win & aggregate frames scores so that Monday's can retain a close link to the original Nott's Institutes Leagues (I Think)
That's exactly what I was trying to say earlier but probably not making it that clear. I hope you are at the meeting matey. ;)
I think I should be a grade 4 Dan, which is what I think you and most of our division should be too, I don't understand why you'd get embarassed for playing well? as I said, I recon most of us are good grade 4's but poor grade 3's.
Quote from: Daniel Norton on 06 February 2013
You should have been a politician Dwayne. What grade do you think you should be again? LOL
On ability, I think you are a grade 3. On consistency, like me, you could be anything.... I prefer being a grade 3 because when I play well it is embarrassing to get a start on grade 3 players (and feels unfair).
I think that what Dan is getting at is something that I agree with, and something similar with handicapping in golf.
Your handicap really should reflect your current 'best' level, in other words the level you would play to if your current form was good. All across the board most people's handicaps if we are being brutal are too good for the reality of what they produce most of the time.
This is better than everyone having a handicap that is too easily beaten which would lead to accusations of being a 'bandit'.
The only problem we have at the moment, maybe not a problem but more of a quirk, is that a lot of players' handicaps fall between what is offered. Myself and Dwayne are both probably grade 3.5 at the moment but that doesn't exist!
Handicaps should always be fluid and subject to change. For me the motivation is to keep improving and have mine reduced when it is merited. If I feel that is no longer happening I will probably pack it in if I'm not happy with the level I have plateau'd at.
I am a bit strange like that, but it is an approach that worked well in golf for me but also ultimately led me to pack it in once I realised I had peaked.
Quote from: Dwayne Martin on 06 February 2013
I think I should be a grade 4 Dan, which is what I think you and most of our division should be too, I don't understand why you'd get embarassed for playing well? as I said, I recon most of us are good grade 4's but poor grade 3's.
Quote from: Daniel Norton on 06 February 2013
You should have been a politician Dwayne. What grade do you think you should be again? LOL
On ability, I think you are a grade 3. On consistency, like me, you could be anything.... I prefer being a grade 3 because when I play well it is embarrassing to get a start on grade 3 players (and feels unfair).
Quote from: Steve Butler on 04 February 2013
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Please note that with immediate effect, Matt Walters has been upgraded from a grade 2 to a grade 1. This upgrade was actioned upon the request of the player.
The NBSA Committee will always grant an upgrade upon the request of the player concerned, however requests to downgrade must be agreed upon by the Committee and may not always be granted.
The Committee will be meeting this Wednesday 6th February. If any player would like to be considered for a downgrade, or request an upgrade, please let us know.
Additionally, if there is anything else you would like the Committee to discuss at the meeting, please let us know either by replying to this thread or sending an email to mail@nottinghamsnoooker.com
Items for the Agenda
1. Payment of team league entry fees
2. Monday Team League - 2 frames each?
3. Jamie Sampson - downgrade from 1 to 2
4. Coin toss or Lucky Loser?
5. Sean Croft - downgrade from 2 to 3
6. Unregistered players - bring in late as grade 1?
Hi Considering that i dont practice anymore at all and only play the odd matchces here and there...... i hoped you could put me in grade 4 please. sean
Can i put a request in that i want my own grade all on me own! ungradable! you lads do a great job no quarms from me! bar i want me own grade! -50 minuimum after piping up and causing trouble on the thread! i will accept wot ever is dished out 2 me! Just dont ban me fully just yet! Love Jim x