THREE man teams (2 frames each) - Proposals Scrapped!

[Toby Bowley]

I speak for myself, mick and dave salmon as we all hate the doubles and are thinking of dropping out next year altough
we do really enjoy the 6 reds league (3 man 2 frames home and away)

[Jordan]

Steve, I think your dream might come true one day. Brilliant idea :bravo:

[Steve Butler]

Thanks Jordan.  I'm glad you like the idea, although I believe the traditionalists won't!  They'll absolutely hate my other idea of having all 3-man teams with every player playing 2 frames each.  This one could give us 40 teams with the option of having 4 or 5 divisions!

(note that the formation of the teams and divisions are for illustrative purposes only!)

[Mike Langdon]

Wow....i go away for the weekend and come back to 4 divisions!!!!

brilliant mate but reckon they might string us up outside Lenton Liberal club if we try to explain this one at the next AGM  :laugh:

[Robert Wright]

Yes Steve brilliant concept. I know we discussed this earlier today.  I only see one flaw. That is that a club like say Lenton Liberal Club who only have 2 tables couldn't put 3 teams in as, on an home/away basis, you would have 2 teams at home one week. If you could work the fixtures so as it's 1 home 2 away every week then this would work. How i don't know!
What do the BDSL (summer league) teams think about adopting this format next year as a trial? Could we get more entrants to the league this way? I'll have a look at the teams and see how it would work. I'll try and post my thoughts on at a later time.

[Steve Butler]

Yes you're right, it would depend on whether the match could be played on one table in the time available.  I think we would have to bring the match start time forward to 7.30pm for sure.  We would need to do this for the clubs that only have one table in any case just so that they would be able to enter two teams.  The alternative is that they only play one frame each in one of the lower divisions.

It would be interesting to see it trialed in the BDSL summer league to see what time the matches finish (or indeed if some don't get finished!).  If it works well then a switch to the format for the NHSL & BDSL would open up the exciting possibility of interleague competitions.  That would be great!

[Mike Langdon]

don't think it could be tested in the summer league as they play down to the black in each frame.  although of course if they could do that in the time frame it would mean we would easily be able to do it.

As mentioned earlier and as i tell my guys in the lower division of the Pegasus league if you're struggling with time just play with 10 reds for the last frame....it makes all the difference.  Perhaps in the bottom two divisions the 2 frame matches could be made up of 1x10 red frame followed by a standard 15 red in the 2nd frame. (this would probably knock off at least half an hour overall).

Mike

[Jordan]

Loving the picture steve, very creative. :thumbup:

[Robert Wright]

If it were 3 players 2 frames each then it wouldn't be played down to the black. We would alter the rules so that you would get a point for each frame won. EG 6-0, 5-1, 4-2 and if it were 3-3 then it would stay as a draw. We used to do this in the summer league a few years ago when we played 4 man teams. If it was 2-2 then it stayed as 2-2 as there were no aggregate scores used in those days. We could of course add say 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a loss. then it would be 8-0, 7-1 6-2 and 4-4, but would that be going too far? At the end of the day it's down to the participating teams and what they want. I can only suggest different ways of playing. It's suppose to be democratic, so everyone has a say and it's not left to individuals to decide on what's relevent and what's not. I personally like the 3 man team idea, but if teams want to stay as we are i'm happy to do that.  :happy:

[Mike Langdon]

i guess perhaps a concern for Institutes or Bulwell league dropping from 4 to 3 player teams is that what do you to with the 4th player.  It's a lot more clear cut in the NHSL as we're kind of already in teams of three ie; home leg away leg.

Mike

[Robert Wright]

Yes i agree with you it is a concern. A lot of the teams do have substiutes however and if they can form teams with the extra players then that would be good. Teams such as Phoenix have 7 or 8 players and could easily field 2 sides of 3 players. Others would struggle to field 2 teams. Eg Ruddington who only have 4 or 5 players. I will suggest it and see what teams think!

[Steve Howard]

hi steve,mike and bob,yes loving the idea of 3 man teams also helps me no end at phoenix as i can usually guarantee 6 players ie 2 teams a phoenix A and phoenix B,and as we generally have at least a 9 man 'sqaud' then a phoenix C,too!!
so loving this idea,and 3 man 2 frames situation, gosh!! im wetting myself at the idea  :blush:  :blush:  :laugh:  :laugh:
please,lets trial this,by all means,but . . . what does other teams/team captains think on this?

[Mike Langdon]

It certainly seems a popular idea...well on here anyway.  I guess in the NHSL the only problems i can foresee are at Oakleigh and Wollaton who only have 1 table to play on.  Think both Wollaton and Oakleigh have about 10 players signed up and as they'd only be able to have 2 sides they would have a few players left over.  The other problem would be willing captains from each team which could be helped by having a club co-ordinator to ensure all teams under that roof are represented at meetings and informed of changes and to collate and supply all results to the league secretary.

Well i for one like the idea with 2 frames a night the real carrot to dangle but we must be able to come up with some positives for the 6-8 man format we curently have in place?

*   I guess it allows players of lesser ability to play for a top team and perhaps win championships but i really can't think of anymore!

As Bob says it must be agreed and voted on before any change could take place.  And in this case with such a change in mind i would have thought it would need at least a 80% vote in favour of change to succeed and not cause friction between the members.

[Steve Howard]

true mike,i agree,well we will all have to just wait & see,i guess!

[laurence.r]

Teams could be allowed to use any number between 3 and 6 players to complete the 6 frames(no player can play more than 2 frames but you could have 6 players playing 1 frame each, 3 players playing 2 frames each or anywhere in between) .

This would help clubs which sometimes have 10-12 players available but sometimes have only 6 or 7 players available. They could then enter 2 teams confidently knowing they are unlikely to need to postpone matches but they wouldn't need to leave anyone out of the team.

I think then teams like Arnold could enter 3 teams and be unlikely to need to postpone but still always give everyone at their club a game.

Of course it would have to be seen as the norm to have 3 players playing twice, so that you don't get people from the teams playing once each moaning, saying things like "it's not fair he shouldn't be allowed to play twice"